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  business as usual in my kingdom hall

  by nowwhat? in

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  we have a very dedicated, sincere, humble, older elder body in our hall.

  along with a pretty zealous group of publishers.

  [even though no one has come out of our territory in 35 years] it seems i am the only one aware of the pattern of false prophecies and mistakes by the society.

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  Those knowing TTATT, could it be a silent majority by now?
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  The account of Ananias and Sapphira at Acts 5 categorically proves the Bible is not inerrant

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  go and read it again at acts 5: 11. ananias and sapphira drop dead at peter's feet for "playing false to god/holy spirit" by not giving all of the money to peter that they got from a field they sold.

  ananias and sapphira were christians.

  they wanted to help the poor and so sold one of their possessions, a field, and gave most of the money to peter.

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  Weighing Weakness, Wickedness, and Repentance

  How can elders know when someone is repentant? This is not a simple question. Think, for example, of King David. He committed adultery and then, in effect, murder. Yet, Jehovah allowed him to keep living. (2 Samuel 11:2-24; 12:1-14) Then think of Ananias and Sapphira. They lyingly tried to deceive the apostles, hypocritically pretending to be more generous than they really were. Serious? Yes. As bad as murder and adultery? Hardly! Yet, Ananias and Sapphira paid with their lives. – Acts 5:1-11.
  
  Why the different judgments? David fell into serious sin because of fleshly weakness. When confronted with what he had done, he repented, and Jehovah forgave him – although he was severely disciplined with regard to problems in his household. Ananias and Sapphira sinned in that they hypocritically lied, trying to deceive the Christian congregation and thus ‘play false to the holy spirit and to God.’ That turned out to be evidence of a wicked heart. Hence, they were judged more severely.
  
  In both cases Jehovah made the judgment, and his judgment was correct because he can examine hearts. (Proverbs 17:3) Human elders cannot do that. So how can elders discern whether a serious sin is evidence of weakness more than of wickedness?
  
  The Watchtower, January 1, 1995, pages 27-28

  Q.: Did David not also 'play false' by not confessing? He hid his deed until the prophet showed up in his house. Meanwhile he had Uriah drugged up and later murdered. But NO, he did not deceive the congregation of God (the house of Israel). - Woah!

  That's why those of you reporting more field service hours than you actually do will be toast come the big A. — Those of you with an inherent fleshly weakness of screwing other people's mate(s) with intent will live to see the other side.
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  What do you think about new jw.org section for children:

  by Nebeska Nada in

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  Nebeska Nada >> Nice ambiguity: Play?!? anytime!

  . . . oh, dear!

  
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  Did we ever fulfill Mathew 24:14?

  by raymond frantz in

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  i know ... many mistakes and a nasty leadership ,but did jehovah's witnesses fulfill even partially matthew 24:14 :"the good news will be preached in all the inhabited earth and then the end will come "are we to expect a final or a completely different fulfilment of this verse ?

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  smiddy >> Put your mouse pointer over the map, right click and 'Save Image As..."

  Then print the map or run it through a drawing program. like MS Paint, etc.
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  Fascinating 1914 exchange between CT Russell and a colporteur

  by cedars in

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  i'm just doing some research for my book, and i uncovered a real gem from the watch tower of july 1st 1914 - published three months before the "gentile times" were due to end climaxing (as they thought back then) in armageddon.. a rather brave "colporteur" (pioneer) wrote in to the magazine asking whether the studies in the scriptures series of books advocating 1914 to be the end of the world should cease to be circulated after october.

  not only does the question itself prove that the expectations of publishers back then were entirely contrary to what the society repeatedly implies them to be, but the answer given by russell shows the same arrogance and evasiveness that we see in modern literature from the society, showing how little has changed since those days.. here is the clipping.... .

  notice how russell falls back on the same line of argumentation used by the society, namely "we have not attempted to say these views are infallible.".

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  Some explanation - perhaps:

  
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  This just new: Thirty-hour quota for auxiliary pioneering (letter)

  by pixel in

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  i just wanna post post this.

  to all congregations.

  re: thirty-hour quota for auxiliary pioneering.

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  "Even if the last day of an auxiliary pioneer’s service falls on the first evening of the circuit overseer’s visit, the auxiliary pioneer may choose a 30-hour quota for that month and may attend the circuit overseer’s meeting with the pioneers in its entirety."

  They are not stingy at all when it comes to conning you into free labor.
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  This just new: Thirty-hour quota for auxiliary pioneering (letter)

  by pixel in

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  i just wanna post post this.

  to all congregations.

  re: thirty-hour quota for auxiliary pioneering.

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  Thank God for anyone not qualifying for this privilege due to not being approved as examplary publisher by the BOE.
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  Cut and Paste of "The List" by Prominent Bethelite of Previous Watchtower Predicted Dates

  by TMS in

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  " {watchtower sep 1 1989 12}.

  " {tiah 240-1, also references in wr oct 1879 3941, tkic 84}.

  '" {zions watchtower mar 1880 repr 82}.

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  It's the Old Theology (old light): See here or here.
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  Something From Nothing: Richard Dawkins & Lawrence Krauss

  by frankiespeakin in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yue0_4rdj0u.

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  Transcript: Something From Nothing? | Notes, Review, & Response

  Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe
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  Another look at how the WBTS uses half truths to push garbage.

  by Defianttruth in

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  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102013047 .

  wow talk about a way to push your garbage.

  i can see it now the wbts is going to start taking their web pages down when people with open minds start picking apart what they write and openly publish for all to have this is only going to get better.

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  Cross-referencing: Awake February 2013: Where do they find these people?